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Title: What happened at exxos forum
Post by: Petari on 02-12-2018, 00:15:18
Edited at Dec. 04 2018.
I was on idea to clean up this whole thread, but that can wait. I will now put latest "news" on top.  The reason is longer post of exxos :
https://www.exxoshost.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1406#p15073 (https://www.exxoshost.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1406#p15073)

Dec 06, early hours:
And I just realized something extremely painful. really. While looked my WEB page about my TOS improving.  There is version called 1.43 - TOS 1.04 for accelerators with 68020/30 CPU. May be with (1) too and other changes. For ST, Mega ST . And that is what I published at Exxos forum, and he was happy to see it.  And some 4-5 months later, he just deleted my posts in TF530 thread, where I talked that modded TOS 1.04 could be used too with his accelerator.  Yes, this sounds so surreal, but it happened (I have no proof, did not record it, really did not expect such treatment after my hard work) . Conclusion: exxos is extremely shallow, ungrateful, forgets things, no wonder he asking help in trivial problems.  Just go lower, to embolden text, and will see his "life philosophy" ...
Dec 06 forenoon (my local time)
Just has been attacked by my old 'friend' C.J. he posted more in 2 hours than in whole year at atariage ST section. I seen strange thing after he edited his post - no trace of it, as is usual when for instance I edit - then there is at bottom sign of it with time of editing. Does he have some special status there ?  Possible. In any case, if I will be banned there soon (in couple days) you know the answer.
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Dec. 04 :
Now, imagine how fair is to expose his version in front of whole Planet (that's Internet) so, that other side is prevented to reply, to expose his version of what happened (what would be me, of course).
So, I will use Internet to fill that 'gap' - smiley should go here, but no mood for .  People always should judge after listening both sides.
And, he will have his forum members to stay on his side (what a shock), I will do all alone.

"I never had a problem with him until more recently. I had been talking to him for years in private about many projects. Guy seemed fine to me, never personally had any issues with him. I wanted to keep developers together and clearly he was being outcast and frankly being antagonised by other people which wasn't helping. While he has done a lot of work, to much bad blood with people over the years and I wanted people to have a fresh start here. "

Yes, problems with him started some months after I joined forum, as SW moderator.  Developers together ? There were no many SW developers at exxos forum. Actually, I see only myself as seriously doing that. Some serious ones jumped in with couple messages like guy who leads EmuTOS project, Blank Vector .
I was disappointed by exxos's really low level of knowledge - he posted some really trivial problems: https://www.exxoshost.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=979 (https://www.exxoshost.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=979)
And not only in SW, but in HW too. Then, all those cat videos, diverse fun things in chat section and like. Now the Xmas theme ... No, this looks more like some warehouse where owners try to attract people with diverse 'candy' .

"Unfortunately things have started to degrade over the past few months ( I think he has life/home related issues) to the point where he seems to be having a mental break down or something. Hes making really bad choices with moderation, and abusing members in PM, including myself, talking to him is a waste of time now. If people want to be a idiot or not follow simple rules, then they get banned. We was more than fair with him but patience runs out eventually. Being a contributor may well buy someone a little more freedom than other people, but it does not give anyone a free pass to being a ass! So the the sake of my sanity and others, I just had to ultimately ban him.
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Yeah, forum degraded, exxos degraded, I sent him some very polite PMs about life, retro computing which were totally ignored. Sent him PM in which said that was not good idea to talk about low sales during summer, because it may be understood as his main concern are the sales. He even did not read it carefully, and got offended - that would be "abusing in PM" . So, I was actually offended, because ignoring my PMs, not even replying that no time, don't understand ...  Yeah, I wrote couple PMs to troed and said him clearly that is asshole. There are threads where it is well visible. Will not waste time and space to even put link here. Let's stay at his greatness, exxos  :)
And later part of quoted is just twisting the facts. If you want me to follow the rules, then I expect that others follow them, and admin self in firs place. Troed was extremely unpolite in many cases, but that was OK for exxos. Exxos deleted my posts, then attacked me (not complained) how I dare to delete post of moderator - I said: you deleted my 4 moderator posts.   And that was when I said him that I will not stay on forum unless hi sincerely apologizes. And this 'sincerely' is very important. That means that he needs to realize his mistakes, unfairness, shallowness ... If nothing changes in his mind, attitude no sense to stay there.  I just refuse to be threaten as some problematic person, because I'm not. I worked with people over 20 years, on field, was in thousands of homes, and in 98% cases all it was fine in conversation, with money (they paid my work right after was finished) and so on.
That about ban is ridiculous - I clearly said that I'm out in now deleted post, but I recorded it:

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{Post } by {Petari} » Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:16 pm
My last post here. Which will be deleted most likely.
Leaving this forum because exxos acted unfairly. And btw. this was really not much interesting for me in last months.
SW section is semi dead, game section dead. I'm not interested to read or discuss about PCBs, power supplies and other. "

I copied here as page save looks with simple editor, so can see some additional data . 

Exxos just thinks that all we are sheeps and he is the master of cattle. No I'm not cattle, and never will be. He banned me because was pissed off with my huge disrespect for him, what I clearly expressed. That ban, later ban on IP address (now removed - why ?) are so lame. And "just had to ultimately ban him."  - twisting of facts. He wants to present it as I wanted to continue there, to bicker and like.
I clearly said in public that I'm out, and why.

"He has caused me a great deal of stress this weekend and made me very angry, and I quit AF (and other groups) to get away from all this type of crap, so I am just not tolerating it here. We gave him a good chance, which I do not regret, the thing I really regret is we have lost a contributor to the community. But he ( and indeed some others) never learn that sometimes the best solution to a problem is to shut the hell up! Hence violating one of our moderator rules in keeping peace, hence his demotion. "

More twisting. And he went so low that reported me to AF team (who he despises) - after my PM before 'war' started, where I said in confidence some things - just as some revenge because my disrespect. Now disrespect is at least 2x bigger. 
Truth is that all I wanted was to place there advert for selling Falcon 030 . I even did not put it on exxos forum - could do it week ago or sooner, but forum is visited by narrow circle of people. Although, AF shows signs of abandoness pretty much. Even ijor went to exxos (or he had conflict with AF team too ?) .

"shut the hell up!"  - yeah, that 'solves' everything  ;D  Putting problem under carpet solves nothing, only hides it for some time, and after it it will be just worse, and you will need to solve all accumulated ones. And that's just happened there ... My recent move has nothing with it.
Actually, I had first problem with him some 3-4 years ago, when he without any consultation with me designed and ordered about 20 PCBs for my design: ACSI-CF adapter. That's actually my design for which most people was interested in purpose of manufacturing. I made driver SW, tested it well - look page about on my site: http://atari.8bitchip.info/astams.php (http://atari.8bitchip.info/astams.php)
Of course, interest was because it can be manufactured for little money - few, cheap components.
But his PCB design was failure, and he sent me some 10 of it + some components that I make it working. I explained him why PCB design is bad - main problem is that it causes signal distortion because lines are too close each to other, many crossings and like (longer story). He was pretty much deaf, and even called in public my design bad. Even it several people made it with success.  Whole thing went under carpet. What made me not happy, but life goes on, and instead investing my time in it I turned to other things.

"For peter its always whos right or wrong, I honestly don't care about such things. We should help each other out, and if issues get solved, then all is good. There's no need to argue whose solution is better or got the job done faster. The journey counts for something as well! "

OMG ! Is it a joke ? He just wants to journey in some happy group of people (where he would be boss, of course  :) ) . Does not matter is someone paid for it, or not - all we are same and happy ...  Just pathetic !    And I finish for now.  So, he clearly admits that don't care who is right, who is wrong. That may be explanation why so many stupid posts from him appeared.  In other words, he refuses to credit people who solved problems - because only those who are right can do it - ah I need to bold previous sentence  :)
P.S. and something I just realized: it is disregarding of people's work, effort. Because results, being right come not (only) because someone is smarter, has higher start knowledge, but because time, effort, sometimes money invested in it. But no, exxos doesn't care, and want to threat all it same ... I saw that shit many times in my not short life ... Ungrateful opportunist, who cares only for money, some benefits, and own fame. Now it is so clear, and his low knowledge has explanation. I can't resist:  exxos, if you want journey, go to Hell   ;D  Oh, that was so rude and offending  :) Let him whine and find another reason to attack, demolish me. Humor is what keeps me sane last 2 weeks, after some people close to me took 3000-3000 Euros from me and my brother.

Added at 4. Dec. 2018, 6.00 PM:   And what a shock !  Exxos deleted all posts except first, and locked thread where announced new SW moderator, and from which I quoted above (that was about 4-th post in that thread).  Well, it seems that him, or someone close to him follows this. Or just because there were some replies he don't like.  Yeah, Internet can be good thing, if you know how to use it  :)



To be continued ...


Older posts:

So, exxos suddenly accepted new member, gave him complete new section called "terriblefire accelerators". Was couple weeks ago.
TF is Amiga guy, with low Atari knowledge. Wants to expand his business toward Atari ST family.
I'm not interested for accelerators, so did not read his posts and related. Only in one case when was talk about what TOS version is needed for TF530. I posted there some question about support for TOS 2.06 in ST machines, since TF said that 68020/30 accel. can work only with TOS 2.06 . What is not entirely true. So, I wrote correction - and I guess that he did not like it.  And little later we could read one of biggest stupidity written ever in some computer forum:  TF said than thinks that TOS using self modifying code  ;D  Yeah, sure, self modifying ROM  :D
I pointed on it, in polite manner. But all my posts there (about 4) were soon deleted, despite all I wanted to help him, and I'm TOS and ST HW expert. And were very much topic.
Little later exxos said that he suggested deleting 'posts which made confusion there' .  I would rather say that they did not like that I know it better, and for sure realized how stupid was that self modifying TOS, so best to remove all traces (deleted TF's post too, of course).

But the real problem started after I deleted TF's pretty much off-topic post in SW section, where I was moderator. He immediately wrote to exxos, claiming that I did it in spite.  I admit that it was partially because I wanted to test exxos how will react on it. And he reacted heavily, ignoring totally my PM, what I posted little earlier. Among other crap he said that is not nice and common to delete post of moderator. I replied that I just followed example of forum admin (exxos) who recently deleted some 4 posts of moderator (me). He threaten that will remove me from moderator status, and I said that then I'm out of that forum totally.  Forum became more and more uninteresting for me. SW, game sections pretty much inactive, practically dead. Actually, there are some 15-20 people there who make most traffic, mostly some HW activity, like assembling ST remake, with zillion posts about progress in it.
So, I posted my last farewell post there, and really don't want(ed) go back there. Mostly because unfair threatment.
I wrote then last PM to exxos, where I talked about his low level of knowledge - yes, imagine how I felt reading his really shallow Mega STE review, where he talked about minimal speed gain in compare to 8 MHz ST(E) machines (like 5%), while it is actually about 60-70% in average. And some other things, examples. That pissed him, and banned me (after lame and incomplete removing of moderator status).

Yes, another case of big ego, shallowness, using forum for sale increase (he even opened once thread about lower sales in Summer period) .
Despite he coded partially benchmark SW (GB6.x) he made amateurish mistake in tests - like testing speed of diverse CPUs while blitter was on. That's just wrong way to compare CPU speeds, since blitter does most job in such cases. I pointed on it, and did not see that was happy or thankful. I guess that still did not correct his SW and tables of result.
This is how it goes - all for fame, vanity, very little for accuracy. Ignored complete my corrections when talked about how PC floppy is slow. No, it's not slower that ST's floppy - and speed does not depend from computer speed but drive's mechanic. He just could not fix it - it's better to talk stupid blah how Atari is better than PC (in year 2018) .  Now I really stop with this, even if could list more sad examples ...
Title: Re: What happened at exxos forum
Post by: Petari on 02-12-2018, 08:25:39
Unfortunately I need to add here some things, despite it was not my intention to write here so much about. Because exxos continues to write and accuse (by his words: insult) me in thread where I said that will no post there anymore + banned me . Yes, that's what they like - to be able to hear only their version. + they don't care what other members of forum really think - imagine that there someone will write that is on my side ?
So, I will write here my side, and I dare to say the real description of things, I hope this will be last.

exxos: "Unfair ? Your joking ? I have done nothing but help and defend you even on AF. Thats is probably the largest insult you can give to me considering what I have done for you. So thanks for that! "
First of all, unfairness happened really, but he will not mention concrete case, of course. It is true that he defended me in many cases. So did Techie Alyson, Dal at AF earlier. But at the end both of them were involved in bannings. It's all about some manners, how people from different countries arguing and like. I can understand that someone from England expects different way that we used here in East Eu.  But can not force us to become Englishman just because forum lang. is English.  Well, I did not break any forum rules. All what I did was that pissed off some smartheads because I claimed that I know it better. And I did, in 99% cases.
This is not trade - you can not expect from me that will skip over your unfairness just because you did in past something for me.

Another unfairness, just reminded on it because thread popped up:
https://www.exxoshost.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=371 (https://www.exxoshost.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=371)

There is diagram with text "Required IDE timing" at top. Exxos used it without crediting me, even filename and concrete content is 100% same as on my site. I spent couple hours (1-2) to make it looking good - not that simple to make diagrams in draw program. Even if I drawn only lower, Atari ST part.
Surely he used my other references and knowledge, yet, for him I'm good only for SW. I was actually one of pioneers in making Atari ST HW add ons.  The reason is his shallowness and vanity ...

I will write here, for the end, part of what I wrote him in PM: "I know more about computers than you and TF together" . He took it as heavy insult. I stay behind that claim. And of course, where is insult in that ? Being smarter is not it, saying truth is not. Even if it would be incorrect, that is then mistake, not insult.  The real insult is actually that he is convinced that he know HW much better than me - he will not say it straight, but all his acting shows that .
Even if it is clear that is not - everyone with little better knowledge can see it after looking in his posts.
Exxos, come down from high horse, learn some things about human relations. Grow up, you are not that young anymore.
Knowing own limits is one of most valuable knowledge .
Title: Re: What happened at exxos forum
Post by: Petari on 02-12-2018, 19:47:00
And more soap opera :  (did I just invent 'soapblogforum' - SOBLUM ?   ;D )
Our brave exxos banned me additionally on IP address - what is attempt to prevent someone to even just read forum posts.
What to say ? He could in that time add credit for mentioned my diagram in IDE thread. That would be more fair and not waste of time - because you just can not prevent someone to access some forum as reader, unless you need to log in, even for reading posts.

Ah, and just as wrote in my goodbye post: it's deleted now. I hate that I'm always in right !  ;D  But I have it here, right at my heart  :D , pardon hard disk.

E-mail time: I will send him link to this thread. And maybe invitation to join here and express his opinion. I promise that will not ban him unless he starts to break law. I'm immune to insults, btw.  I'm totally serious now.

P.S. usual 'opinion', I would rather say excuse among Atari forums admins, moderators is that I can not deal with people.  I even said once at AF that yes, that's true, but only when we add word 'some' - so 'can not deal, communicate with some people'.  Shine example of such is troed.  I worked on field, in my shop over 20 years - repairing TVs, computers. Was in thousands of homes, dealt with thousands of people. All it went fine and fair in about 98% cases. People still recognizes me and says that I repaired their TV some 30 years ago . Of course, there were some very bad situations with idiots. Just to not finish this post with word 'idiots' : have a nice rest of weekend, and even better working week folks  :)
Title: Re: What happened at exxos forum
Post by: Petari on 02-12-2018, 19:59:17
I will now publish my e-mail to exxos:
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The thread:  http://forum.8bitchip.info/news-14/what-happened-at-exxos-forum/

You are welcome to register here and express your opinion, to answer on my claims there, to explain what you did and why, and so on.  That's what I call fair treatment, unlike what AF people and you did - banning member and with it cut all further talk (surely, that costs least time) . I don't like unfinished talks and shallow opinions, based on partial facts.

Just to add that it is much more than conflict between two of us. You got partial answer already in some my PMs written months ago, which you elegantly ignored (I'm sure you did not understand what and why wrote what wrote)

The fact that I spending so much time means that I still respect you. But yuo have so much to learn.

Just a short quote from thread (it's in bold there):
This is not trade - you can not expect from me that will skip over your unfairness just because you did in past something for me.

   Regards, Peter